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</div><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-2"><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger host Kevin Goetz welcomes Arnold Rifkin, the legendary talent agent who pioneered the concept of a total talent agency and helped build one of Hollywood&#8217;s most recognizable action stars. From founding Triad Artists to leading William Morris&#8217;s film division and producing blockbuster films alongside Bruce Willis, Rifkin has shaped Hollywood from every angle. In this deeply personal conversation, Rifkin shares candid stories about deal-making, friendship, spiritual transformation, and the human side of the entertainment industry.</span></p>
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</div><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-4" style="--awb-content-alignment:center;"><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Arnold Rifkin&#8217;s journey to Hollywood power began with his father&#8217;s influence in an unexpected industry. His father Herman, known as &#8220;Hy,&#8221; was in the mink business and had a significant impact on young Arnold&#8217;s approach to negotiation:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;My father would go to the door and say, listen, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m willing to pay, and if you don&#8217;t want that, I&#8217;m okay. And he would put his hand on the doorknob ready to leave and the guy would say, well, okay. I would&#8217;ve never known this, but it was literally how I did the Die Hard original deal.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This &#8220;doorknob technique&#8221; would become Arnold&#8217;s signature negotiation style, serving him throughout his career. Despite his father&#8217;s success, Arnold learned about business through observation rather than instruction:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;He didn&#8217;t know it because I didn&#8217;t ask questions. I just watched. I learned by watching. I learned by listening. I didn&#8217;t talk much.&#8221;</span></i></p>
</div></div></div></div></div><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-3 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-margin-top:30px;--awb-margin-top-medium:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-center fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:95.68%;margin-left: calc(-4% / 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-5"><h2><b>Building an Agency Empire from $1,500</b></h2>
</div><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-6"><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rifkin&#8217;s entry into the entertainment business came through a chance meeting on an escalator with Nicole David, his brother Ron Rifkin&#8217;s close friend. Together, they founded their agency with just $1,500 in 1975:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;On an escalator. My brother&#8217;s closest friend was Nicole, and they had a relationship for years. That was it. And I had already now left the shoe business and I decided that I was going to become an agent. Why? I love the art of figuring out and selling.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The partnership with Nicole David proved fortuitous, as she transitioned from actress to agent with natural instincts for the business. Rifkin recalls her unique approach:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Nicole was becoming a better agent than an actress. Every time she didn&#8217;t get a job, she gave them an idea of who might be right and all of a sudden they&#8217;d be hiring people that she&#8217;d recommend. So she became an agent.&#8221;</span></i></p>
</div></div></div></div></div><div class="fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-4 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling" style="--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-margin-top:30px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-margin-top-medium:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-medium:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;" ><div class="fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-justify-content-center fusion-flex-content-wrap" style="max-width:95.68%;margin-left: calc(-4% / 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% / 2 );"><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-padding-top:30px;--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-bottom:10px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-color:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-color-hover:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:60px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three" style="--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;--awb-font-size:20px;"><h3 class="fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated" style="font-family:&quot;DM Serif Display&quot;;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;margin:0;font-size:1em;--fontSize:20;--minFontSize:20;line-height:1.3;"><h2><b>Discovering Bruce Willis</b></h2></h3></div><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-7"><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">One of the most pivotal moments in Rifkin&#8217;s career was meeting Bruce Willis, though he gives credit to his colleagues for the discovery:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;I have to give credit to the people that found Bruce. Gene Parseghian back in New York had seen him in True West. Cis Corman told Gene to go to the theater and see him. And then there was a show they were casting called Moonlighting.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">When Willis finally came to Rifkin&#8217;s office, the agent was immediately struck by his confidence:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;When he came into my office, he had a torn t-shirt, ripped jeans, and he pretended he was worth a billion dollars. He never doubted the fact. And he gave me the smirk. I knew the light in his eyes, and we became agent, and it was a journey.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The casting of Willis in Moonlighting wasn&#8217;t straightforward. He had already been rejected twice and borrowed money from Sherry Rivera, Geraldo Rivera&#8217;s ex-wife, to fly to Los Angeles for another audition. Rifkin notes that Willis wasn&#8217;t the typical leading man: </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;He was not a typical leading man. Not at all. He had that brilliant quality of being self-effacing. And he was sexy. He had a swag.&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;With arrogance. Hubris. Because the first round they went to every famous actor. Nobody wanted to do it. Die Hard was a battery at Sears, that&#8217;s what that was. And we had come off of a movie that, I won&#8217;t tell you the title, and nobody went. And the worldwide gross was $3 million.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rifkin&#8217;s strategy was bold and calculated:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;I said upfront, there&#8217;s only two things that could possibly happen here. We either succeed or we fail. So you have to pay him enough money to justify either. Either you become a hero, or no one could deny the fact that how could you turn that down. And the number was what it became, what was it? Five.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The deal created shockwaves throughout Hollywood:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Press, I was banned from Warner Brothers. Everybody&#8217;s salaries went sky high. Mel Gibson wanted 5 million. Michael Douglas said, how could you pay me two and a half and he&#8217;s a nobody, and you pay him five. I got hammered. Every studio said, Rifkin, what did you do? A $5 million deal to somebody who just did one movie that failed and did $3.2 million?&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Edgar makes a proposal and he&#8217;s telling me what he wants. He wants the swag that Bruce has. Back in the day, there was the Marlboro guy, and now Bruce was the guy. So I gave Edgar a price, and he said, that&#8217;s way too much money. And I said, I don&#8217;t know how to fix it. If you&#8217;re not willing to pay, you wanna be one. And he said, okay, we&#8217;re done.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">A year later, Bronfman returned, having been unable to find the right spokesperson:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Edgar comes back a year later and said, you know, I&#8217;ve seen 3000 men and I can&#8217;t find the guy that I want. So I&#8217;m back. He said, so I&#8217;m willing to pay you. I said, Edgar, it&#8217;s a year later. The inflation and all.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The campaign was a massive success: </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;He paid a lot of money to get Bruce. And you know what? Within six months, he was number one.&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;I told Bruce that I was leaving, and Bruce said, well, what are you gonna do? And I said, well, I&#8217;m not totally sure, but I wanna see what the other side&#8217;s like, I want to know the people who make the decisions on that side. I wanna see what that&#8217;s like. And he said, let&#8217;s do it together. I said, cool.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The spiritual journey began through his trainer, who introduced him to a Native American spiritual guide:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;This experience with the spiritual guide. I had a trainer who would come and see me twice a week. And each time I saw him, I&#8217;ve never seen eyes so white and clear. And I said to Kevin, I said, what is it that you do that when you come, you know, six o&#8217;clock in the morning, you look&#8230;and he told me about this gentleman. He told me about the sweats.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This 15-year relationship with his spiritual guide, Richard, deeply influenced Rifkin&#8217;s approach to life and business:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;I connected with Richard. And for 15 years, he took me on a journey. And Cheyenne, the whole dragonfly thing just came to me when I started reading about the different tribes and it fit.&#8221;</span></i></p>
</div></div></div><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-7 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-padding-top:30px;--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-bottom:10px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-color:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-color-hover:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:60px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-title title fusion-title-5 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three" style="--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;--awb-font-size:20px;"><h3 class="fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated" style="font-family:&quot;DM Serif Display&quot;;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;margin:0;font-size:1em;--fontSize:20;--minFontSize:20;line-height:1.3;"><h2><b>Bruce Willis, More than Just a Client</b></h2></h3></div><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-11"><p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The relationship between Rifkin and Willis transcended typical agent-client dynamics, becoming a brotherhood that has endured through Willis&#8217;s health challenges:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;We could finish each other&#8217;s sentences. Yeah. And we wore the same size sweaters. So metaphor, I mean. Yeah. We lived together. I mean, there&#8217;s no doubt.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rifkin speaks candidly about Willis&#8217;s complexity as a person and star:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Bruce was, when fame hit, I don&#8217;t know that he knew how to behave yet. And there were moments where it was inappropriate and there were moments that were amazing. But I feel as though he was a great father. And he loved to laugh. He loved to make people laugh.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The cultural impact of Willis as John McClane became clear to Rifkin during an unexpected moment after 9/11:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;We were trapped and we went for a walk in Central Park and to understand the gravity of Bruce&#8217;s persona, we are walking, and Bruce has got his hat on his glasses. Nobody knows who he is. And we listen to somebody say, where is John McClane when you need him? Man. That was like, what? That&#8217;s insane. That&#8217;s cultural impact.&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;There was a time where we were not, and it wasn&#8217;t an acrimonious time. It was everybody needed to move on for a while. I got the phone call from Stephen Eads, and I knew a little bit about what was happening, but I was not involved. And Stephen called and said that he&#8217;d like to see you, and are you open to that? And I said, absolutely.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Their Friday lunch tradition continues: </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;So ultimately there was a small group of us and Fridays we would have lunch, and we had great moments. And there&#8217;s moments when he smiles and you almost know that he remembers that moment that we&#8217;re laughing at or whatever.&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Stephen and I both went to Emma at some point and said, we&#8217;re probably the only two people that know everything, between my vault and Stephen&#8217;s vault of memories. We&#8217;re the only people that could tell that story and tell it with love, tell it with authenticity. And give him the dignity of who he was.&#8221;</span></i></p>
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<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;You have a choice. You can live in abundancy or you can live in scarcity. That&#8217;s my world. And it&#8217;s not about the car you drive, it&#8217;s really about what you feel. That&#8217;s what I would share to anybody as a 30-year-old.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">His management philosophy, which served him throughout his career, remains simple but powerful:</span></p>
<p><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">&#8220;Do not bring me problems. Bring me solutions. When we do solutions, we solve. You bring me a problem. I don&#8217;t need you. I can make problems on my own.&#8221;</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Don&#8217;t miss the full conversation on Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger to hear more about Arnold Rifkin&#8217;s Hollywood journey, his transformative deals, and his enduring friendship with Bruce Willis.</span></p>
</div></div></div><div class="fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-11 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column" style="--awb-padding-top:30px;--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-bottom:10px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-color:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-color-hover:#f5f5f5;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:60px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;"><div class="fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column"><div class="fusion-text fusion-text-15"><p><em>Don’t Kill the Messenger</em>, hosted by movie and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz, brings his book <strong>Audienceology</strong> to life. This bi-monthly podcast takes a peek behind the filmmaking curtain as Kevin talks with famous filmmakers, studio executives, stars, and other creatives about movies, filmmaking, audience test screenings, and much more.</p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">IMDB: </span><a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0726476/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0726476/</span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Incite Studios: </span><a href="https://www.incite-studios.com/"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.incite-studios.com/</span></a></p>
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Audienceology Book: <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678">https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678</a><br />
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360<br />
Linked In @Kevin Goetz<br />
Screen Engine/ASI Website: <a href="http://www.ScreenEngineASI.com">www.ScreenEngineASI.com</a></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Kevin, the founder and CEO of Screen Engine/ASI, is also the bestselling author of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Audience-ology</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400;">, host of the popular </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Don’t Kill the Messenger</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400;"> podcast, and a speaker who educates the filmmaking community through keynotes and global presentations. In 2024, he was honored with the prestigious American Cinematheque Power of Cinema Award for his transformative contributions to the film industry.</span></p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://kevingoetz360.com/arnold-rifkin-interview/">Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger welcomes Legendary Agent, Producer, and Studio Executive Arnold Rifkin</a> appeared first on <a href="https://kevingoetz360.com">Kevin Goetz</a>.</p>
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