
Key Takeaways from Don’t Kill the Messenger Podcast with Kevin Goetz
Hollywood is reevaluating its marketing strategy as traditional advertising channels are losing their effectiveness with younger audiences. While studios once relied on television, radio, and outdoor billboards, they now face a fundamental challenge in reaching the elusive 18- to 35-year-old male demographic. A son-and-father team has developed a solution that helps major studios connect with audiences through authentic micro-influencers.
In a recent conversation on Kevin Goetz’s podcast, Don’t Kill the Messenger, Troy and Mark Paul of SGG Media shared how their network of 2,300 sports micro-influencers, with a combined 88 million followers, is transforming the way movies and streamers engage with audiences. With roughly 80% of their audience being male, SGG has solved one of Hollywood’s most persistent problems. As Kevin Goetz noted during the conversation, “males, particularly younger males, are the hardest audience to reach.” Troy’s response was direct: “You have to go where they live. You have to go where they’re gonna consume their media. And the answer to that is they’re on social media.” Their story offers a blueprint for creating engagement where traditional advertising often can’t break through.
The Micro-Influencer Revolution
Troy Paul’s definition of micro-influencers challenges conventional wisdom about social media marketing. Rather than chasing celebrity endorsements, SGG represents authentic superfans with deeply engaged communities.
The best example I can give is when you think about our creators, when you think about micro influencers, we’re working with, let’s take the Buffalo Bills. We’re working with your everyday Buffalo Bills diehard super fan. They love their team so much that they created an Instagram or an X page solely to post content about the Buffalo Bills. And it could be anything. It could be team news, it could be trades, it could be rumors, all things Buffalo Bills.
These aren’t celebrities with millions of followers. They’re accounts with 10,000 to 100,000 followers, but those followers are intensely loyal. The key insight is that SGG “took the super fans who built small micro influencer accounts, and then we became the agency that represents them and introduces them to clients and helps monetize their traffic.” This model inverts traditional influencer marketing. Instead of paying a celebrity millions for a single post that feels like an obvious advertisement, SGG creates campaigns through trusted voices that audiences already follow religiously.
Authenticity Over Celebrity
The fundamental problem with celebrity endorsements is believability. As Kevin Goetz observed, when audiences see celebrities promoting products, “I may not believe them because I don’t know them, and I feel like maybe it’s like a cash grab. I’m being pandered to essentially. But if somebody I trusted told me a message, I would believe them.”
Troy Paul’s response cuts to the heart of SGG’s value proposition:
“That’s really what our audience is. And what’s different about what SGG does in our creator base, and frankly, how the entertainment space is evolving as it relates to influencers, is we’re not representing the superstar celebrity who has 20 million followers on social. We’re representing the team-specific, region-specific, sports-specific influencer who has 60,000 followers, who are just diehard fans and really connect with the creator that they follow. That’s our creator. That’s who we represent.”
This authenticity creates something celebrity endorsements can’t deliver: genuine engagement. When a Buffalo Bills superfan account posts about something, their followers don’t see an advertisement but rather a trusted source sharing something relevant to their interests.
The COVID Origin Story
Troy’s entrepreneurial journey began with a simple observation during the pandemic. As a recent NYU graduate unable to find work in real estate finance, he started analyzing the social media landscape:
“I was applying to real estate finance companies and investment banking companies. And I’m doing a little bit of soul searching, and I’m on X and I’m on Instagram. I’m seeing how these creators are posting their information, and I’m looking at these smaller accounts, these micro influencers. And none of ‘em are monetizing their traffic. None of them have partnerships. And they’re posting dozens of times a day in generating millions of impressions a month. And they can’t monetize their traffic. They’re not, wow. And I go, something’s wrong here. These accounts are too powerful.”
This observation revealed a massive market inefficiency. Passionate creators generated millions of impressions without compensation, while brands and studios needed authentic ways to reach engaged audiences. SGG’s role became clear: connect the two sides of this equation. Troy’s high school friend Joe Hayes, employee number one at SGG, had firsthand experience with this problem. Hayes had built a 150,000-follower sports account but “struggled to find sponsors when I had my channel. So I kind of just put two and two together. And I said, Hey, it’s COVID and I’m not working and this is something I’m really passionate about, so let’s try to build something here.”
A Son and Father Team
Mark Paul’s decision to invest in SGG represents the kind of commitment that separates successful startups from failed experiments. At 68, semi-retired from a successful real estate career, he saw something in Troy’s vision:
“When I heard Troy’s idea initially, I really immediately thought it was phenomenal. And I was really almost semi-retired. I said many times to my wife, I would go, I’m 68. I said, I got one good run left in me. It’s gotta be something good. And then when Troy came to me with this idea, I went, I love that. And one of the joys of it, too, is that Troy has a staff of 17, and the median age is probably 25. So it’s a joy to work with all these young people and all this energy all the time.”
But Mark brought more than capital. His experience and business relationships provided structure and credibility. The division of labor reflects their complementary strengths: Troy runs the social media operations with his young team, while Mark handles “the old guy stuff like clients, making sure that they stay in line, that we have the right insurance to handle CFO kind of stuff. But these young people run the company.”
Their commitment goes beyond typical investment. As Mark explained:
“One of the things that I’m the proudest of, of the company is we have done all of this with a total amount of capital that we’ve raised is $3 million, of which I put in about a million. We represent, I’m proud to say now, six or seven movie studios. We represented FanDuel and DraftKings and Fanatics and lots of really big companies. But it hasn’t been easy. Troy and I have deferred our compensation now for two consecutive years because we believe in the company, and we just take every dollar we make and we reinvest in staff, teams, and marketing. You gotta be all in.”
The Entrepreneurial Instinct
Mark’s story about Troy’s childhood pizza arbitrage business perfectly captures the entrepreneurial DNA that would later build SGG Media:
“He went to a high-end private school, and the kids were very lazy, and they had pizza day on Wednesdays. And the rich kids didn’t wanna stand in line for the pizzas. So what he would do is he would hire runners as soon as the bell rang, he’d have runners that would take like 50 bucks each, run to the front of the pizza line, buy entire pizzas, and then sell them by the piece. So he was buying for $2.50 and he was selling them for, I don’t know, $7 a slice every Wednesday.”
Troy understood market dynamics at age 11. He recognized an inefficiency, created a solution, and monetized the arbitrage. When called to the dean’s office, his response showed remarkable business clarity: “I’m not making them buy, I’m just providing a service.” This same pattern-recognition ability would later identify the monetization gap in sports micro-influencer accounts, another market inefficiency waiting to be solved.
Why Sports Content Drives Urgency
Mark Paul’s insight about sports content explains why SGG’s model works so effectively for entertainment marketing:
“Sports is unique, the hottest thing in media and the hottest thing in entertainment is sports because it’s really one of the very few things that happens live that you care about instantly. And I’ve seen the stats now. It’s like if one of our followers gets a post about a sports team, literally, it’s about four or 500% more likely to watch and look at that impression instantly because he wants to know, oh, something came in on my Laker account. Did somebody get hurt? Did somebody get traded? What happened now?”
This urgency creates a permission structure for marketing content. Sports fans check their team accounts constantly for breaking news, creating multiple touchpoints throughout the day. When those accounts occasionally post movie trailers or entertainment content, they benefit from the established checking behavior. The 80% male demographic skew also makes SGG particularly valuable. As Kevin Goetz noted, “males, particularly younger males, are the hardest audience to reach and you’ve gotta, as you said, find them where they go.”
The Two-Part Value Proposition
SGG provides two distinct services to creators, creating a virtuous cycle that benefits everyone involved. First is monetization, helping creators earn money from their existing audience. As Troy explained with the Fanatics jersey example:
“When we get a campaign from Fanatics, for instance, depending on which football team won an NFL game, we will wanna push those jerseys. And because you’re a New York Giants fan account, every time the New York Giants win on a Sunday or on Thursday night football, I’m gonna take a Fanatics campaign. We’re going to come to you with a set of creatives featuring the New York Giants’ best players and their jerseys. And when they win a Thursday night football game, the moment that game’s over, I’m gonna ask you to post this to your fans, and you’re gonna have a Fanatics link in your description. And they love it. The fans, right? They love it because their team just won. They wanna buy their favorite jersey.”
The timing and targeting create organic demand rather than forced promotion.
The second service is growth through collaboration: “The best way I would argue for a creator to grow their channel is to collaborate with other influencers that are in a similar space, whose followers may engage with your content. They just haven’t been introduced to it yet.” By connecting a New York Giants account with a New York Knicks account for collaborative posts, SGG helps creators cross-pollinate audiences within natural affinity groups. This growth mechanism keeps creators engaged with SGG in the long term, continually expanding the network’s reach.
Authenticity as Strategy
The labor-intensive nature of SGG’s campaigns reflects their commitment to authentic engagement. Rather than blasting the same message across all 2,300 accounts, they carefully match campaigns to appropriate creators:
What’s great about the creators we represent is that they have a smaller audience, but the audience that they have is super loyal. They’re diehard fans of a team. So when we’re running campaigns and we’re working with clients, it’s really important to us and our creators as well that we’re presenting whatever the advertisement may be, whatever the campaign is in a way that speaks to the fans of this creator.
Troy emphasized that creators maintain full control: “Are they forced to put your creative on as part of your contract? Absolutely not. They’re never forced. It’s their account. It’s not ours.” This creator autonomy ensures that only authentic-feeling content gets posted. As Troy explained: “The thing about these creators is they’re amazing at what they do. They’re amazing at putting together unique creatives that speaks to their fans. What makes our accounts unique is that they may only have 30,000 followers, but these are diehard loyal fans of this micro influencer account.”
Universal’s Breakthrough Campaign
The Universal Pictures campaign for Jordan Peele’s film “Him” demonstrates SGG’s methodology at its best. The film follows a rookie entering the NFL, providing Universal with a natural hook for sports content. Their timing was brilliant:
“When they dropped their first trailer, they were brilliant. They coincided it with the day of the NFL draft, and the movie is about a rookie coming into the league and the journey he goes on.”
But the genius was in the execution. Rather than just posting trailers, SGG created engagement:
“What we did is we have 400 or 500 NFL-specific accounts, and we had those accounts take the trailer, which is about a rookie joining the league. And we had our influencers post to their fans the trailer and then ask their fans the question, Who on our team does this remind you of, or who in this year’s NFL drafts?”
This transformed passive trailer viewing into active community participation:
“You’re taking a movie trailer, and because micro influencers can be so targeted towards specific teams or specific sports, you’re now getting a comment section because the question the influencer asks, you’re getting a comment section that is debates and people going back and forth and saying, oh, this is Brady. No, this is Rogers. And you’re getting memes and you’re getting the engagement, which is really what studios are looking for. They want people engaging with their trailers and their content.”
The campaign didn’t just reach eyeballs; it also created conversations. Fans debated which players the character resembled, generating organic engagement that traditional advertising could never achieve.
Amplification Strategy
Perhaps SGG’s most innovative offering is what they call “amplification,” a strategy that simultaneously distributes content and builds studio social media brands:
“What amplification is, is when you think about working with influencers, you think about paying a big celebrity to make a post on their Instagram channel, and you hope people see it. And that’s it. What amplification is, when a studio has a trailer that just went live and it’s the trailer drop and they’re pushing it out for the first time to the public, what micro influencers can do and what SGG can do is the moment that trailer gets posted on X, the moment that trailer gets posted on Instagram, we can have 300 or 400 or 500 influencers repost that trailer, repost that content directly to their audiences.”
The key distinction is that “the influencer actually isn’t creating their own custom content, they’re reposting the content that’s coming from a studio. It’s coming from the @Universal handle or @Sony handle.”
Troy explained why this matters strategically:
“The brilliance of that and why it’s becoming so popular is that when you’re a company and you’re posting advertisements, you also wanna be building up your own following behind your social handles and your channels. And if you’re just utilizing influencers to post custom content, you’re not achieving that because the posts are coming up from Livy Don’s channel or a different creator’s channel. But when you have 300 influencers reposting whatever the trailer is that just got dropped on the studio’s social media channel, not only are you getting great viewership, you’re building up the following behind your own channel that the studios own and operate. That is immensely important as they’re trying to build out their social media presence.”
The Belief Requirement
Troy’s philosophy about entrepreneurship applies equally to filmmaking and any creative business:
“If you don’t believe 100% in what you’re doing, then you’re not gonna be able to raise capital. You’re not going to be able to sign clients. Because if the founders don’t believe in what they’re doing, then it’s gonna be hard to sell it to everybody else.”
This conviction isn’t just motivational rhetoric. In SGG’s case, it manifested as two years of deferred compensation, Mark’s million-dollar personal investment, and countless hours building relationships with creators one at a time. That level of commitment becomes visible to clients, creating confidence in the partnership.
The Future of Entertainment Marketing
SGG Media’s success represents more than just a clever business model; it signals a fundamental shift in how content reaches audiences. The days of one-size-fits-all mass marketing are coming to an end, replaced by targeted, authentic engagement through trusted community voices.
Mark Paul’s observation about being in the entertainment business “for over five months” (said jokingly to studio executives) underscores how quickly this space is evolving. SGG went from sports betting clients to representing six or seven movie studios in a remarkably short time because they solved a problem studios desperately needed solved. The company’s potential expansion into other verticals beyond sports suggests that the micro-influencer model is effective wherever passionate communities exist. Beauty, gaming, cooking, travel—any vertical with dedicated superfans creating content could benefit from the same monetization and collaboration framework.
For Hollywood, the implications are clear. The future of marketing isn’t about bigger celebrity endorsements or more expensive TV spots. It’s about authentic voices, strategic timing, community engagement, and building long-term relationships with creators who have genuine influence over niche but loyal audiences.
As traditional advertising continues its decline, companies like SGG Media offer a roadmap for reaching audiences where they actually live, not where marketers wish they lived. The son-and-father team’s journey from a COVID-era observation to representing major studios demonstrates that sometimes the best innovations come from simply paying attention to what’s actually happening, rather than what conventional wisdom says should happen.
The conversation on Don’t Kill the Messenger offers essential listening for anyone involved in entertainment marketing, independent film distribution, or content promotion. SGG Media’s methodology proves that authenticity, strategic targeting, and genuine community engagement aren’t just buzzwords but rather the foundation of effective marketing in the social media age.
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